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Mathematics, reading skills in unprecedented decline in teenagers
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useapen
2023-12-07 06:31:36 UTC
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PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills are in
an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID school
closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on Tuesday in its
latest survey of global learning standards.

The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development said
it had seen some of the steepest drops in performance since 2000 when it
began its usually triennial tests of 15-year-olds reading, maths and
science skills.

Nearly 700,000 youths took the two-hour test last year in the OECD's 38
mostly developed country members and 44-non members for the latest study,
closely watched by policymakers as the largest international comparison of
education performance.

Compared to when the tests were last conducted in 2018, reading
performance fell by 10 points on average in OECD countries, and by 15
points in mathematics, a loss equivalent to three-quarters of a year's
worth of learning.

Reuters Graphics
While more than half of the 81 countries surveyed saw declines, Germany,
Iceland, the Netherlands, Norway and Poland saw particularly sharp drops
in mathematics scores, the OECD said.

On average across the OECD, one out of four 15-year-olds tested as a low
performer in maths, reading and science, which means they could not use
basic algorithms or interpret simple texts, the study found.

"COVID probably played some role but I would not overrate it," OECD
director of education Andreas Schleicher told a news conference.

"There are underlying structural factors and they are much more likely to
be permanent features of our education systems that policymakers should
really take seriously."

Countries that provided extra teacher support during COVID school closures
scored better and results were generally better in places where easy
teacher access for special help was high.

Poorer results tended to be associated with higher rates of mobile phone
use for leisure and where schools reported teacher shortages.

The OECD said the decline was not inevitable, pointing to Singapore, where
students scored the highest in maths, reading and science, with results
that suggested they were on average three to five years ahead of their
OECD peers.

After Singapore, Macau, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Japan and South Korea also
outperformed in maths and science, where Estonia and Canada also scored
well.

In reading, Ireland, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan earned top marks, and
was all the more notable in Ireland and Japan because their spending per
student was no higher than the OECD average.

https://www.reuters.com/world/mathematics-reading-skills-unprecedented-
decline-teenagers-oecd-survey-2023-12-05/
Peter Moylan
2023-12-07 08:11:11 UTC
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Post by useapen
PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID
school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10. Then it
was admitted that this was not because Australian results improved, but
because so many other countries had gone even further backwards.

See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle.
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occam
2023-12-07 08:35:34 UTC
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Post by useapen
PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID
school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10. Then it
was admitted that this was not because Australian results improved, but
because so many other countries had gone even further backwards.
See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle.
The Reuters article is based on the PISA report 2022.

https://www.oecd.org/publication/pisa-2022-results#pisa2022results

I cannot find Australia on the league table.

Luxembourg, despite its very highly paid state teachers, is also missing
from the list. (We historically appear at the lower end of the table.)
lar3ryca
2023-12-07 18:58:39 UTC
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Post by occam
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by useapen
PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID
school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10. Then it
was admitted that this was not because Australian results improved, but
because so many other countries had gone even further backwards.
See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle.
The Reuters article is based on the PISA report 2022.
https://www.oecd.org/publication/pisa-2022-results#pisa2022results
Interesting page. I did a little exploring, and some results were
surprising.
Post by occam
I cannot find Australia on the league table.
What do you mean by 'the league table'?
Australia is the third entry in the list on the left. It shows one of
the surprising results I mentioned; the two dips below the 23-country
average of the '15-year old tests'in the math section. What happened
between 2015 and 2019 (approximately)?
Post by occam
Luxembourg, despite its very highly paid state teachers, is also missing
from the list. (We historically appear at the lower end of the table.)
Ireland was another surprise, with three dips, the worst being in about
2009, in reading and math. What happened there at that time?

Others that are strange, with widely varying results are Norway, Poland,
Sweden, and more.

What, to me, was unsurprising, was Canada's ranking in the same tests.
One of the presenters on the morning news program on CTV is basically
semi-literate. He graduated from a Sports Journalism program at a
college in Toronto in 2020. This morning's performance included several
instances; "hap'birthday", "more sunnier" "as we make our way into Friday".
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occam
2023-12-09 13:23:16 UTC
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Post by lar3ryca
Post by occam
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by useapen
PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID
school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10. Then it
was admitted that this was not because Australian results improved, but
because so many other countries had gone even further backwards.
See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle.
The Reuters article is based on the PISA report 2022.
https://www.oecd.org/publication/pisa-2022-results#pisa2022results
Interesting page. I did a little exploring, and some results were
surprising.
Post by occam
I cannot find Australia on the league table.
What do you mean by 'the league table'?
I am looking in Volume I section "How did countries do in PISA'. There
are three tables ranking various counties by performance in Mathematics
(table I.2.1), Reading (table I.2.2) and Science (table I.2.3)

<https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/view/?ref=1235_1235421-gumq51fbgo&title=PISA-2022-Results-Volume-I>
Post by lar3ryca
Australia is the third entry in the list on the left.
Which section are *you* looking in?

It shows one of
Post by lar3ryca
the surprising results I mentioned; the two dips below the 23-country
average of the '15-year old tests'in the math section. What happened
between 2015 and 2019 (approximately)?
Post by occam
Luxembourg, despite its very highly paid state teachers, is also missing
from the list. (We historically appear at the lower end of the table.)
Ireland was another surprise, with three dips, the worst being in about
2009, in reading and math. What happened there at that time?
Others that are strange, with widely varying results are Norway, Poland,
Sweden, and more.
What, to me, was unsurprising, was Canada's ranking in the same tests.
One of the presenters on the morning news program on CTV is basically
semi-literate. He graduated from a Sports Journalism program at a
college in Toronto in 2020. This morning's performance included several
instances; "hap'birthday", "more sunnier" "as we make our way into Friday".
lar3ryca
2023-12-09 20:00:54 UTC
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Post by occam
Post by lar3ryca
Post by occam
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by useapen
PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID
school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10. Then it
was admitted that this was not because Australian results improved, but
because so many other countries had gone even further backwards.
See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle.
The Reuters article is based on the PISA report 2022.
https://www.oecd.org/publication/pisa-2022-results#pisa2022results
Interesting page. I did a little exploring, and some results were
surprising.
Post by occam
I cannot find Australia on the league table.
What do you mean by 'the league table'?
I am looking in Volume I section "How did countries do in PISA'. There
are three tables ranking various counties by performance in Mathematics
(table I.2.1), Reading (table I.2.2) and Science (table I.2.3)
<https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/view/?ref=1235_1235421-gumq51fbgo&title=PISA-2022-Results-Volume-I>
Post by lar3ryca
Australia is the third entry in the list on the left.
Which section are *you* looking in?
Ahh. I was looking at the link posted by Peter, above.
What I did forget was that I had clicked on 'Country Notes', then in the
'hamburger' in a circle next to the Albania entry.

That brings up an alphabetical list of countries. Clicking on one of
those brings up graphs showing Trends in performance in reading, math,
and science, gathered by testing 15-year-old students.
Post by occam
It shows one of
Post by lar3ryca
the surprising results I mentioned; the two dips below the 23-country
average of the '15-year old tests'in the math section. What happened
between 2015 and 2019 (approximately)?
Post by occam
Luxembourg, despite its very highly paid state teachers, is also missing
from the list. (We historically appear at the lower end of the table.)
Ireland was another surprise, with three dips, the worst being in about
2009, in reading and math. What happened there at that time?
Others that are strange, with widely varying results are Norway, Poland,
Sweden, and more.
What, to me, was unsurprising, was Canada's ranking in the same tests.
One of the presenters on the morning news program on CTV is basically
semi-literate. He graduated from a Sports Journalism program at a
college in Toronto in 2020. This morning's performance included several
instances; "hap'birthday", "more sunnier" "as we make our way into Friday".
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Jerry
2023-12-07 20:31:44 UTC
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Post by occam
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by useapen
PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID
school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10.
Then it was admitted that this was not because Australian results
improved, but because so many other countries had gone even further
backwards.
See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle.
The Reuters article is based on the PISA report 2022.
https://www.oecd.org/publication/pisa-2022-results#pisa2022results
I cannot find Australia on the league table.
Luxembourg, despite its very highly paid state teachers, is also
missing from the list. (We historically appear at the lower end of the
table.)
Some teachers teach, others preach social BS.

Because of teacher unions, American kids are some of the dumbest on the
planet. All they know how to do is play with smart phones and click
'like' on social media. Heaven forbid the lazy slugs should be able to
read and write well enough to to fill out a job application.
Governor Swill
2023-12-08 08:14:02 UTC
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Post by Jerry
Some teachers teach, others preach social BS.
Because of teacher unions, American kids are some of the dumbest on the
planet. All they know how to do is play with smart phones and click
'like' on social media. Heaven forbid the lazy slugs should be able to
read and write well enough to to fill out a job application.
I take it your teachers were all in the Union?

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Jerry
2023-12-07 20:36:25 UTC
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Post by useapen
PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID
school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10. Then
it was admitted that this was not because Australian results improved,
but because so many other countries had gone even further backwards.
Liberalism is an infectious disease and needs to be eradicated.
Post by Peter Moylan
See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle.
Indeed.

I work with a bunch of Aussies daily. Got to see Maxine on HGTV a couple
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Elmo
2023-12-08 01:24:47 UTC
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Post by Peter Moylan
Post by useapen
PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID
school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10. Then it
was admitted that this was not because Australian results improved, but
because so many other countries had gone even further backwards.
See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle.
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They need to stop testing the red state kids so the numbers rise again.
iggles
2023-12-08 02:54:29 UTC
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Post by Elmo
Post by Peter Moylan
Post by useapen
PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID
school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10. Then
it was admitted that this was not because Australian results improved,
but because so many other countries had gone even further backwards.
See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle.
--
They need to stop testing the red state kids so the numbers rise again.
Good luck selling your shit sandwiches on street corners.

Academic proficiency plummeted in 2022 to among the lowest on record
following the coronavirus school shutdowns, and children in Democrat-run
states where teachers union demands led to extended school shutdowns
bore the brunt, data released Monday from a national test known as the
“nation’s report card” showed.

The National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) is administered
to fourth and eighth graders every few years, allowing for a comparison
of reading and math proficiency by state between 2019 — just before the
pandemic — and 2022. The decline in math scores was the sharpest ever
since the test began in 1990, and the average math scores were the
lowest since 2005. The average eighth grade reading score was the lowest
since 1998.
D. Ray
2023-12-07 09:09:22 UTC
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Post by useapen
"There are underlying structural factors and they are much more likely to
be permanent features of our education systems that policymakers should
really take seriously."
The factor is that since 2000 we got much more niggers and shitskins in our
public schools, and their quantity is only growing. Like it or not, there’s
direct link between demographics and education/crime/quality of life/etc.

It is “permanent feature” only according to those who want to make it a
permanent feature.
Hibou
2023-12-07 09:37:33 UTC
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Post by D. Ray
Post by useapen
"There are underlying structural factors and they are much more likely to
be permanent features of our education systems that policymakers should
really take seriously."
The factor is that since 2000 we got much more niggers and shitskins in our
public schools, and their quantity is only growing. Like it or not, there’s
direct link between demographics and education/crime/quality of life/etc.
... education, crime, quality of life, etc..
Post by D. Ray
It is “permanent feature” only according to those who want to make it a
permanent feature.
Peeler
2023-12-07 10:26:06 UTC
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Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by useapen
"There are underlying structural factors and they are much more likely to
be permanent features of our education systems that policymakers should
really take seriously."
The factor is that since 2000 we got much more niggers and shitskins in our
public schools, and their quantity is only growing. Like it or not, there’s
direct link between demographics and education/crime/quality of life/etc.
... education, crime, quality of life, etc..
LOL He's not the smartest among Usenet's notorious nazitards.
D. Ray
2023-12-07 18:25:54 UTC
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Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by useapen
"There are underlying structural factors and they are much more likely to
be permanent features of our education systems that policymakers should
really take seriously."
The factor is that since 2000 we got much more niggers and shitskins in our
public schools, and their quantity is only growing. Like it or not, there’s
direct link between demographics and education/crime/quality of life/etc.
... education, crime, quality of life, etc..
As far as I know, using slash is acceptable to indicate the word “or” in
informal writing.

If that’s your only objection, let’s leave it at that.
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
It is “permanent feature” only according to those who want to make it a
permanent feature.
Peeler
2023-12-07 18:48:50 UTC
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On Thu, 07 Dec 23 18:25:54 UTC, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married gay
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
The factor is that since 2000 we got much more niggers and shitskins in our
public schools, and their quantity is only growing. Like it or not, there’s
direct link between demographics and education/crime/quality of life/etc.
... education, crime, quality of life, etc..
As far as I know, using slash is acceptable to indicate the word “or” in
informal writing.
What DO you "know" other than the sick neo-nazi crap inside your sick
neo-nazi head, Loose Sphincter?
Post by D. Ray
If that’s your only objection, let’s leave it at that.
Too late, Loose Sphincter, you already left an "impression"! LOL
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D. Ray
2023-12-08 03:35:42 UTC
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Post by Peeler
On Thu, 07 Dec 23 18:25:54 UTC, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married gay
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
The factor is that since 2000 we got much more niggers and shitskins in our
public schools, and their quantity is only growing. Like it or not, there´s
direct link between demographics and education/crime/quality of life/etc.
... education, crime, quality of life, etc..
As far as I know, using slash is acceptable to indicate the word “or” in
informal writing.
What DO you "know" other than the sick neo-nazi crap inside your sick
neo-nazi head, Loose Sphincter?
Post by D. Ray
If that´s your only objection, let´s leave it at that.
Too late, Loose Sphincter, you already left an "impression"! LOL
“Impression” is left by Jews who always pop up every time anyone mentions
demographics. For some reason diversity is really important to them.

Any idea why?
Peeler
2023-12-08 09:14:42 UTC
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On Fri, 08 Dec 23 03:35:42 UTC, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married gay
Post by D. Ray
Post by Peeler
What DO you "know" other than the sick neo-nazi crap inside your sick
neo-nazi head, Loose Sphincter?
Post by D. Ray
If that´s your only objection, let´s leave it at that.
Too late, Loose Sphincter, you already left an "impression"! LOL
“Impression” is left by Jews who always pop up every time anyone mentions
demographics. For some reason diversity is really important to them.
Any idea why?
And you abysmally stupid gay neo-nazi shithead CONTINUE making a "certain"
impression! My motto is, just let the thing talk, and the neo-nazi pig will
come to the fore ...inevitably! LOL
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Hibou
2023-12-08 06:08:20 UTC
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Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by useapen
"There are underlying structural factors and they are much more likely to
be permanent features of our education systems that policymakers should
really take seriously."
The factor is that since 2000 we got much more niggers and shitskins in our
public schools, and their quantity is only growing. Like it or not, there’s
direct link between demographics and education/crime/quality of life/etc.
... education, crime, quality of life, etc..
As far as I know, using slash is acceptable to indicate the word “or” in
informal writing.
Acceptable to whom? Not to me.

You ended your list with "etc.", /et/ cetera, which suggests you meant
'and' not 'or'. Far better, then, to write either 'or' or 'and' and be
clear.
Post by D. Ray
If that’s your only objection, let’s leave it at that.
It isn't - but I doubt your capacity to understand the other one.
Hibou
2023-12-08 08:17:49 UTC
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Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by useapen
"There are underlying structural factors and they are much more likely to
be permanent features of our education systems that policymakers should
really take seriously."
The factor is that since 2000 we got much more niggers and shitskins in our
public schools, and their quantity is only growing. Like it or not, there’s
direct link between demographics and education/crime/quality of life/etc.
... education, crime, quality of life, etc..
As far as I know, using slash is acceptable to indicate the word “or” in
informal writing.
Acceptable to whom? Not to me.
You ended your list with "etc.", /et/ cetera, which suggests you meant
'and' not 'or'. Far better, then, to write either 'or' or 'and' and be
clear.
Post by D. Ray
If that’s your only objection, let’s leave it at that.
It isn't - but I doubt your capacity to understand the other one.
Still, let's have a go.

It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.

This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour. With her
consent, any man could impregnate any woman, so under the skin we are
almost homogeneous. We are not a ring species, for example, genetically
compatible only with our near neighbours.

To know whether immigration is having this effect, deeper study is
necessary - to look under the bonnet of the figures, to see what is
going on under pupils' bonnets. (This petit jeu de mots does not
translate into AmE.)
D. Ray
2023-12-08 16:36:24 UTC
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Post by Hibou
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by useapen
"There are underlying structural factors and they are much more likely to
be permanent features of our education systems that policymakers should
really take seriously."
The factor is that since 2000 we got much more niggers and shitskins in our
public schools, and their quantity is only growing. Like it or not, there’s
direct link between demographics and education/crime/quality of life/etc.
... education, crime, quality of life, etc..
As far as I know, using slash is acceptable to indicate the word “or” in
informal writing.
Acceptable to whom? Not to me.
You ended your list with "etc.", /et/ cetera, which suggests you meant
'and' not 'or'. Far better, then, to write either 'or' or 'and' and be
clear.
Post by D. Ray
If that’s your only objection, let’s leave it at that.
It isn't - but I doubt your capacity to understand the other one.
Still, let's have a go.
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?

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<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
Post by Hibou
With her
consent, any man could impregnate any woman, so under the skin we are
almost homogeneous. We are not a ring species, for example, genetically
compatible only with our near neighbours.
Donkey can impregnate a horse, wolf can impregnate dog. Are they same
species?
Post by Hibou
To know whether immigration is having this effect, deeper study is
necessary
Not really. You can just look at average IQ map above and you can safely
assume that mass legal and illegal immigration from countries with lower IQ
to countries with higher IQ will decrease average IQ in the latter ones.
Same as you can safely assume that countries with big populations of
negroes will have lower average IQ.
Peeler
2023-12-08 17:12:44 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 08 Dec 23 16:36:24 UTC, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married gay
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
Still, let's have a go.
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
So, if you are white, Loose Sphincter, how come you are so abysmally stupid,
you miserable gay neo-nazi whore? <VBG>
--
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"Nary does a day pass that Nazi nutcase "Loose Cannon" isn't fantasizing
about bestiality. THIS is how his brain operates. ROFL!"
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Hibou
2023-12-09 08:37:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical
care, and education.

<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index>

How have you excluded those factors?


IQ scores in the USA (I assume you're American) rose by about 17 points
in half a century:

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During which period, the US population became markedly less White:

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What conclusion might you draw from that?

(NB: correlation is not causation.)
D. Ray
2023-12-10 02:03:53 UTC
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Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical
care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans have
lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world shitholes. However,
anyone with half a brain understand that those countries are undeveloped
third world shitholes specifically because they’re full of stupid violent
niggers.

Not that long ago pretty much whole Asia had issues with “nutrition,
medical care, and education.” Not a case anymore. I suspect it’s because
Asian countries are populated by Asians, not by niggers.
Post by Hibou
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index>
How have you excluded those factors?
Those “factors” were non-existing in Africa until Whites (for good or for
bad) brought there medical care, education, and everything else.
Post by Hibou
IQ scores in the USA (I assume you're American) rose by about 17 points
<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif>
Would be nice to see it broken down by race.
Post by Hibou
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg/1280px-Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg.png>
And, according to this very graph, it became less Black.
Post by Hibou
What conclusion might you draw from that?
Less Black equals more IQ points?..

Seriously though, are you trying to say that race differences don’t exist?
Hibou
2023-12-10 08:41:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical
care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans have
lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world shitholes.
I think it's reasonable to suggest that people who are hungry, in poor
health, and uneducated will perform poorly in IQ tests.
Post by D. Ray
However,
anyone with half a brain understand that those countries are undeveloped
third world shitholes specifically because they’re full of stupid violent
niggers.
That's a bold statement. Do you have a solid chain of evidence and
reasoning to support it?
Post by D. Ray
Not that long ago pretty much whole Asia had issues with “nutrition,
medical care, and education.” Not a case anymore. I suspect it’s because
Asian countries are populated by Asians, not by niggers.
Post by Hibou
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index>
How have you excluded those factors?
Those “factors” were non-existing in Africa until Whites (for good or for
bad) brought there medical care, education, and everything else.
The most developed countries were White, which explains the direction of
flow.

I suppose development as we know it really took off with the Industrial
Revolution. I have sometimes wondered why the IR occurred in Britain -
manageable temperate climate, trading nation, the security and stability
of living on an island, availability of coal and ores...? The prevailing
spirit must have played its part, but it would never occur to me to moot
skin colour.
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
IQ scores in the USA (I assume you're American) rose by about 17 points
<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif>
Would be nice to see it broken down by race.
Post by Hibou
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg/1280px-Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg.png>
And, according to this very graph, it became less Black.
No, not from ~1947 to ~2004. Look again. The graph shows the percentage
of Blacks rising from ~10% to ~12%.
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
What conclusion might you draw from that?
Less Black equals more IQ points?..
Seriously though, are you trying to say that race differences don’t exist?
Well, there are visible variations in colour, physiognomy, stature, and
so on, and known internal differences, such as susceptibility to
sickle-cell disease. Perhaps there are mental differences too, but it's
impossible to tell, since, if they exist, they are masked by far more
important cultural differences. It's not only nations that differ, but
also our own ancestors. If the past is a foreign country, it's because
the people who lived in it were really quite foreign.

My own view is that the human brain is very plastic. People's beliefs
are extraordinarily varied, and - as Orwell remarked - even those who
would not score well in IQ tests are capable of exceptional mental feats
if their interest is engaged. In short, individual history is far more
important than 'race'.
Chris M. Thomasson
2023-12-10 09:27:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical
care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans have
lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world shitholes.
I think it's reasonable to suggest that people who are hungry, in poor
health, and uneducated will perform poorly in IQ tests.
Just take an educated person, and starve them for a while, then give
them an IQ test... They might not be up to par, so to speak...

[...]
Hollis
2023-12-10 10:00:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Post by Hibou
Post by Hibou
Post by Hibou
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak
the local language, that would affect reading, writing, and
comprehension, and have a secondary effect on other subjects,
such as mathematics. There's also culture. I understand that
education is highly prized in parts of the Orient, for example,
so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost
perfectly aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_a
verage-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.o
rg/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition,
medical care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans
have lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world
shitholes.
I think it's reasonable to suggest that people who are hungry, in
poor health, and uneducated will perform poorly in IQ tests.
Just take an educated person, and starve them for a while, then give
them an IQ test... They might not be up to par, so to speak...
"educated" in the modern sense means too stupid and antisocial to function
in a structured work environment.

Seriously.
Governor Swill
2023-12-10 20:34:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Post by Hibou
Post by Hibou
Post by Hibou
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical
care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans have
lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world shitholes.
I think it's reasonable to suggest that people who are hungry, in poor
health, and uneducated will perform poorly in IQ tests.
Just take an educated person, and starve them for a while, then give
them an IQ test... They might not be up to par, so to speak...
[...]
I'm sure the Jews in dray's death camps didn't score well either.
https://tinyurl.com/4m6t7uzp

Swill
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the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
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Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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Governor Swill
2023-12-10 20:31:33 UTC
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Post by Hibou
Post by Hibou
Post by Hibou
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical
care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans have
lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world shitholes.
I think it's reasonable to suggest that people who are hungry, in poor
health, and uneducated will perform poorly in IQ tests.
However,
anyone with half a brain understand that those countries are undeveloped
third world shitholes specifically because they’re full of stupid violent
niggers.
That's a bold statement. Do you have a solid chain of evidence and
reasoning to support it?
Not that long ago pretty much whole Asia had issues with “nutrition,
medical care, and education.” Not a case anymore. I suspect it’s because
Asian countries are populated by Asians, not by niggers.
Post by Hibou
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index>
How have you excluded those factors?
Those “factors” were non-existing in Africa until Whites (for good or for
bad) brought there medical care, education, and everything else.
The most developed countries were White, which explains the direction of
flow.
I suppose development as we know it really took off with the Industrial
Revolution. I have sometimes wondered why the IR occurred in Britain -
manageable temperate climate, trading nation, the security and stability
of living on an island, availability of coal and ores...? The prevailing
spirit must have played its part, but it would never occur to me to moot
skin colour.
Post by Hibou
IQ scores in the USA (I assume you're American) rose by about 17 points
<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif>
Would be nice to see it broken down by race.
Post by Hibou
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg/1280px-Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg.png>
And, according to this very graph, it became less Black.
No, not from ~1947 to ~2004. Look again. The graph shows the percentage
of Blacks rising from ~10% to ~12%.
Post by Hibou
What conclusion might you draw from that?
Less Black equals more IQ points?..
Seriously though, are you trying to say that race differences don’t exist?
Well, there are visible variations in colour, physiognomy, stature, and
so on, and known internal differences, such as susceptibility to
sickle-cell disease. Perhaps there are mental differences too, but it's
impossible to tell, since, if they exist, they are masked by far more
important cultural differences. It's not only nations that differ, but
also our own ancestors. If the past is a foreign country, it's because
the people who lived in it were really quite foreign.
My own view is that the human brain is very plastic. People's beliefs
are extraordinarily varied, and - as Orwell remarked - even those who
would not score well in IQ tests are capable of exceptional mental feats
if their interest is engaged. In short, individual history is far more
important than 'race'.
In the nineteen seventies, typical IQ tests were discredited as being slanted towards
white students. Examples given included questions that wouldn't make sense to a poor,
black kid. Like, how many bathtubs in a house with three and a half baths? White kids
answered that correctly more often than black kids who much less often lived in or even
saw more than one bathroom in a home. Otoh is, "What is a hawk?" multiple choice offering
A a long sleeve sweater B a predatory bird C a car model D a cold wind.

Anybody answering D was scored as incorrect despite the fact that "hawk" was common urban
slang for a cold wind. The point being there were two correct answers.

Educators developed an IQ test geared towards black students and found their IQ scores
jumped while white kids' dropped.

https://tinyurl.com/5c8cascx

Swill
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the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
- Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

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Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.
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D. Ray
2023-12-11 07:27:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Governor Swill
Post by Hibou
Post by Hibou
Post by Hibou
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical
care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans have
lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world shitholes.
I think it's reasonable to suggest that people who are hungry, in poor
health, and uneducated will perform poorly in IQ tests.
However,
anyone with half a brain understand that those countries are undeveloped
third world shitholes specifically because they’re full of stupid violent
niggers.
That's a bold statement. Do you have a solid chain of evidence and
reasoning to support it?
Not that long ago pretty much whole Asia had issues with “nutrition,
medical care, and education.” Not a case anymore. I suspect it’s because
Asian countries are populated by Asians, not by niggers.
Post by Hibou
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index>
How have you excluded those factors?
Those “factors” were non-existing in Africa until Whites (for good or for
bad) brought there medical care, education, and everything else.
The most developed countries were White, which explains the direction of
flow.
I suppose development as we know it really took off with the Industrial
Revolution. I have sometimes wondered why the IR occurred in Britain -
manageable temperate climate, trading nation, the security and stability
of living on an island, availability of coal and ores...? The prevailing
spirit must have played its part, but it would never occur to me to moot
skin colour.
Post by Hibou
IQ scores in the USA (I assume you're American) rose by about 17 points
<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif>
Would be nice to see it broken down by race.
Post by Hibou
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg/1280px-Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg.png>
And, according to this very graph, it became less Black.
No, not from ~1947 to ~2004. Look again. The graph shows the percentage
of Blacks rising from ~10% to ~12%.
Post by Hibou
What conclusion might you draw from that?
Less Black equals more IQ points?..
Seriously though, are you trying to say that race differences don’t exist?
Well, there are visible variations in colour, physiognomy, stature, and
so on, and known internal differences, such as susceptibility to
sickle-cell disease. Perhaps there are mental differences too, but it's
impossible to tell, since, if they exist, they are masked by far more
important cultural differences. It's not only nations that differ, but
also our own ancestors. If the past is a foreign country, it's because
the people who lived in it were really quite foreign.
My own view is that the human brain is very plastic. People's beliefs
are extraordinarily varied, and - as Orwell remarked - even those who
would not score well in IQ tests are capable of exceptional mental feats
if their interest is engaged. In short, individual history is far more
important than 'race'.
In the nineteen seventies, typical IQ tests were discredited as being slanted towards
white students. Examples given included questions that wouldn't make sense to a poor,
black kid. Like, how many bathtubs in a house with three and a half baths? White kids
answered that correctly more often than black kids who much less often lived in or even
saw more than one bathroom in a home.
This is a perfect example illustrating inability of Black kids to make
logical deductions, and using hypothesising and logical abstractions.

I didn’t know you are racist, Swill.
Peeler
2023-12-11 09:23:36 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Dec 23 07:27:02 UTC, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married gay
Post by D. Ray
This is a perfect example illustrating inability of Black kids to make
logical deductions, and using hypothesising and logical abstractions.
YOU just failed in the proper logical deduction of his example, you
abysmally stupid gay neo-nazi whore!
Post by D. Ray
I didn’t know you are racist, Swill.
Well, everyone knows by now that YOU are, "neo-nazi scum"!
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"Hello from AVG.

Please stop advertising us. We don't want to be associated with neo-Nazi
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D. Ray
2023-12-11 07:16:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical
care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans have
lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world shitholes.
I think it's reasonable to suggest that people who are hungry, in poor
health, and uneducated will perform poorly in IQ tests.
I politely disagree because I think it’s reasonable to suggest that people
with low IQ inevitably will be hungry, in poor health, and uneducated,
unless they live in a welfare state where those things are given to them by
the government.
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
However,
anyone with half a brain understand that those countries are undeveloped
third world shitholes specifically because they’re full of stupid violent
niggers.
That's a bold statement. Do you have a solid chain of evidence and
reasoning to support it?
In my opinion, it should be enough to compare history and civilisations of
Europe, Asia, and Africa, where they didn’t even invent a wheel. And no,
Ancient Egypt was not Black country.

One of the really good examples should be Liberia. Country was basically
created by Whites for freed American slaves, after that Whites left and
yesterday’s slaves became the ruling class. They should have been Africa’s
best country, basically, second United States, since they had education,
support in US, and even their constitution was based on US constitution…
right?

<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia>

“The Americo-Liberian settlers did not relate well to the indigenous
peoples they encountered. Colonial settlements were raided by the Kru and
Grebo from their inland chiefdoms. Americo-Liberians formed into a small
elite that held disproportionate political power; indigenous Africans were
excluded from birthright citizenship in their own land until 1904.”

“In 1927, the country's elections again showed the power of the True Whig
Party, with electoral proceedings that have been called some of the most
rigged ever; the winning candidate was declared to have received votes
amounting to more than 15 times the number of eligible voters. (The loser
actually received around 60% of the eligible vote.)”

“Soon after, allegations of modern slavery in Liberia led the League of
Nations to establish the Christy Commission. Findings included government
involvement in widespread "Forced or compulsory labour". Minority ethnic
groups especially were exploited in a system that enriched well-connected
elites. As a result of the report, President Charles D. B. King and Vice
President Allen N. Yancy resigned.”

<https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Liberia>

“Emigrants to Liberia suffered the highest mortality rate of any country
since modern record-keeping began.”

“Between 1847 and 1980, the state of Liberia was dominated by the small
minority of African-American colonists and their descendants, known
collectively as Americo-Liberians. The Americo-Liberian minority, many of
whom were mixed-race African Americans, viewed the native majority as
"racially" inferior to themselves and treated them much the same as white
Americans had treated them. To avoid "racial" contamination, the
Americo-Liberians practiced endogamous marriage. For over a century the
indigenous population of the country was denied the right to vote or
participate significantly in the running of the country. The
Americo-Liberians consolidated power amongst themselves. They, but not the
natives, received financial support from supporters in the United States.
They established plantations and businesses, and were generally richer than
the indigenous people of Liberia, exercising overwhelming political power.”

Et cetera, et cetera. Basically, hilarious history of this country was
exactly what (((some people))) are saying about Whites. Predictably, they
ended up having two bloody civil wars, went bankrupt several times, had
absolutely African levels of corruption. I suspect they didn’t go to
cannibalism only because of foreign aid (most of which went to pockets of
“officials” anyway).

I recommend reading those Wiki articles, at least just for amusement. You
might disagree, but I think it was absolutely predictable that it became
what it is now (third world shithole).
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Not that long ago pretty much whole Asia had issues with “nutrition,
medical care, and education.” Not a case anymore. I suspect it’s because
Asian countries are populated by Asians, not by niggers.
Post by Hibou
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index>
How have you excluded those factors?
Those “factors” were non-existing in Africa until Whites (for good or for
bad) brought there medical care, education, and everything else.
The most developed countries were White, which explains the direction of
flow.
I suppose development as we know it really took off with the Industrial
Revolution. I have sometimes wondered why the IR occurred in Britain -
manageable temperate climate, trading nation, the security and stability
of living on an island, availability of coal and ores...?
Before Industrial Revolution there was a long history of European
civilization, dating back to Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, and further to
Egyptians and Sumers. I think it played much bigger role than geographical
location and features of Britain.
Post by Hibou
The prevailing
spirit must have played its part, but it would never occur to me to moot
skin colour.
Skin color is secondary, of course.
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
IQ scores in the USA (I assume you're American) rose by about 17 points
<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif>
Would be nice to see it broken down by race.
Post by Hibou
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg/1280px-Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_population.svg.png>
And, according to this very graph, it became less Black.
No, not from ~1947 to ~2004. Look again. The graph shows the percentage
of Blacks rising from ~10% to ~12%.
But Lynn Effect graph is linear, and there’s no reason to not extrapolate
further back, unless you think something very important happened in 1947,
right? I’m joking, of course, I do not think that Lynn Effect was as
dramatic as it portrayed, and even Lynn himself didn’t think so.

This is the article where that graph came from:

<https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31556802>

“If Americans today took the tests from a century ago, Flynn says, they
would have an extraordinarily high average IQ of 130. And if the Americans
of 100 years ago took today's tests, they would have an average IQ of 70 -
the recognised cut-off for people with intellectual disabilities. To put it
another way, IQ has been rising at roughly three points per decade.

This is a puzzle not just for the US, but for all countries demonstrating
the Flynn Effect. "Does it make sense," Flynn wrote in one paper, "to
assume that at one time almost 40% of Dutch men lacked the capacity to
understand soccer, their most favoured national sport?"”

His question is understandable. If you assume the data shown on the graph
is correct, it means that 100 years ago half of the Americans were retards,
and 200 years ago most of the people were basically imbeciles, barely able
to wipe their own ass. None of it is true, of course.

Anyway, it make sense to look at Lynn Effect graph in regards to our
conversation only if it showed data for different races. But it doesn’t.
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
What conclusion might you draw from that?
Less Black equals more IQ points?..
Seriously though, are you trying to say that race differences don’t exist?
Well, there are visible variations in colour, physiognomy, stature, and
so on, and known internal differences, such as susceptibility to
sickle-cell disease. Perhaps there are mental differences too, but it's
impossible to tell, since, if they exist, they are masked by far more
important cultural differences. It's not only nations that differ, but
also our own ancestors. If the past is a foreign country, it's because
the people who lived in it were really quite foreign.
My own view is that the human brain is very plastic. People's beliefs
are extraordinarily varied, and - as Orwell remarked - even those who
would not score well in IQ tests are capable of exceptional mental feats
if their interest is engaged. In short, individual history is far more
important than 'race'.
I’ll reply to this part later, if you don’t mind.
Peeler
2023-12-11 09:26:42 UTC
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neo-nazitard, now FORGING as D. Ray, whined again:

<FLUSH the inevitable neo-nazi crap>

Ooops ...and nothing's left, as usual! LOL
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Peeler
2023-12-10 09:13:19 UTC
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On Sun, 10 Dec 23 02:03:53 UTC, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married gay
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration could
affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't speak the
local language, that would affect reading, writing, and comprehension,
and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such as mathematics.
There's also culture. I understand that education is highly prized in
parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost perfectly
aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_average-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition, medical
care, and education.
Yes, and for the same reason. You’re trying to imply that Africans have
lower IQs because they live in undeveloped third world shitholes. However,
anyone with half a brain understand that those countries are undeveloped
third world shitholes specifically because they’re full of stupid violent
niggers.
If ONLY you wouldn't constantly expose yourself as a TYPICAL, "stupid
violent", retarded neo-nazi, Loose Sphincter, you abysmally stupid gay
neo-nazi whore and LAUGHING STOCK! LOL

Why do you nazoids ALWAYS, without any exception, keep describing YOURSELVES
when you are ranting about your objects of hatred? WHY??? Why are you SO
retarded? WHY??? LMAO
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unions suck
2023-12-12 08:18:37 UTC
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Post by Hibou
Post by Hibou
It would be reasonable to suggest that large waves of immigration
could affect pupils' collective results. If the immigrants don't
speak the local language, that would affect reading, writing, and
comprehension, and have a secondary effect on other subjects, such
as mathematics. There's also culture. I understand that education is
highly prized in parts of the Orient, for example, so Asians often
outperform Whites.
This is about the programming of the brain, not about colour.
If it’s not “about colour” how come average IQ map is almost
perfectly aligning with skin tone map?
<https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2015/07/ourworldindata_aver
age-iq-by-country-v2.png>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20160301135953/http://ourworldindata.org/
data/education-knowledge/intelligence/>
That map aligns with state of development, too - with nutrition,
medical care, and education.
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/human-development-index>
How have you excluded those factors?
IQ scores in the USA (I assume you're American) rose by about 17
<https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/81297000/gif/_81297
297_iq_chart_1_624-01.gif>
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Complete_his
tory_of_the_Racial_and_ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_perc
entage_of_the_population.svg/1280px-Complete_history_of_the_Racial_and_
ethnic_demographics_of_the_United_States_in_percentage_of_the_populatio
n.svg.png>
What conclusion might you draw from that?
(NB: correlation is not causation.)
Cheating!

https://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/JacobLevitt2003.pdf

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/blog/when-teachers-cheat-the-
standardized-test-controversies

https://www.publicschoolreview.com/blog/cheating-in-atlanta-schools-cover-
up-now-investigated

D. Ray
2023-12-11 20:56:58 UTC
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Post by Hibou
To know whether immigration is having this effect, deeper study is
necessary - to look under the bonnet of the figures, to see what is
going on under pupils' bonnets.
Looks like someone published an article today on this very topic.

“Fifteen-year-old students in several European countries have seen a
decline in reading and maths scores over the past year, partially due to
mass immigration, results from the PISA school test show.”

Not only they perform poorly, they make children of indigenous people of
Europe perform poorly:

“In France, around half of the students claimed that there was noise and
disorder in most or all of their classes while 39% said they had to wait
extended periods for teachers to begin or resume teaching due to
disruptions.”

<https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/immigration-contributes-to-decline-in-school-aptitude-test-results/>

<https://archive.ph/sotpf>
Yak
2023-12-11 20:59:18 UTC
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Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
To know whether immigration is having this effect, deeper study is
necessary - to look under the bonnet of the figures, to see what is
going on under pupils' bonnets.
Looks like someone published an article today on this very topic.
“Fifteen-year-old students in several European countries have seen a
decline in reading and maths scores over the past year, partially due to
mass immigration, results from the PISA school test show.”
Not only they perform poorly, they make children of indigenous people of
“In France, around half of the students claimed that there was noise and
disorder in most or all of their classes while 39% said they had to wait
extended periods for teachers to begin or resume teaching due to
disruptions.”
<https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/immigration-contributes-to-decline-in-school-aptitude-test-results/>
<https://archive.ph/sotpf>
Yeah...but...equity!!!!
Peeler
2023-12-11 21:33:27 UTC
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On Mon, 11 Dec 23 20:56:58 UTC, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married gay
Post by D. Ray
Post by Hibou
To know whether immigration is having this effect, deeper study is
necessary - to look under the bonnet of the figures, to see what is
going on under pupils' bonnets.
Looks like someone published an article today on this very topic.
“Fifteen-year-old students in several European countries have seen a
decline in reading and maths scores over the past year, partially due to
mass immigration, results from the PISA school test show.”
Not only they perform poorly, they make children of indigenous people of
“In France, around half of the students claimed that there was noise and
disorder in most or all of their classes while 39% said they had to wait
extended periods for teachers to begin or resume teaching due to
disruptions.”
<https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/immigration-contributes-to-decline-in-school-aptitude-test-results/>
NOTHING of that confirms your "racial theory", Loose Sphincter, you
abysmally stupid gay neo-nazi scum!
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Peeler
2023-12-07 10:09:47 UTC
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On Thu, 07 Dec 23 09:09:22 UTC, Loose Sphincter, the unhappily married gay
Post by D. Ray
Post by useapen
"There are underlying structural factors and they are much more likely to
be permanent features of our education systems that policymakers should
really take seriously."
The factor is that since 2000 we got much more niggers and shitskins in our
public schools, and their quantity is only growing. Like it or not, there’s
direct link between demographics and education/crime/quality of life/etc.
There's no "our" for you, Loose Sphincter. NOBODY identifies with retarded
neo-nazi scum like you, either in school or out of school, you abysmally
stupid gay neo-nazi whore!
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Governor Swill
2023-12-08 08:18:34 UTC
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Post by D. Ray
Post by useapen
"There are underlying structural factors and they are much more likely to
be permanent features of our education systems that policymakers should
really take seriously."
The factor is that since 2000 we got much more niggers and shitskins in our
public schools, and their quantity is only growing. Like it or not, there’s
direct link between demographics and education/crime/quality of life/etc.
It is “permanent feature” only according to those who want to make it a
permanent feature.
Speaking of permanent:
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The Obama Disaster
2023-12-07 21:13:26 UTC
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Post by D. Ray
Post by useapen
"There are underlying structural factors and they are much more likely to
be permanent features of our education systems that policymakers should
really take seriously."
The factor is that since 2000 we got much more niggers and
shitskins in our
Post by D. Ray
public schools, and their quantity is only growing. Like it or
not, there’s
Post by D. Ray
direct link between demographics and education/crime/quality of
life/etc.

At the first utterance of woke, D.E.I. or social justice stupidity,
an individual should be considered unrecoverable and tossed into a
vat of molten steel.
Post by D. Ray
It is “permanent feature” only according to those who want to
make it a
Post by D. Ray
permanent feature.
It was set in motion the moment some morons elected Barack Obama
because of his skin color. Had he been evaluated on his ethics and
principles, the door would have slammed shut on approach.
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